Boy turns in knife but may still be expelled

[Chant]

Welcome to the infantilization of America.

[J.Arthur Loose]

Originally Posted by Chant

Welcome to the infantilization of America.

I personally think that's closer to the mark.

One of my pet peeves to this day is the #### drinking age, and I'm 34. When asked for ID I always reply that "...my papers are in good order." I say make a citizen legal at 18 across the board. Treat people like adults and they'll have to act like it. Treat them like kids and they'll act like kids. Of course, in my opinion, Reagan, who hated college activism while governor of California, forced states into accepting the drinking age of 21 as president in order to socially separate the leaders from the new students. That's just my little theory.

I'm glad that Vermont has included in its constitution the right to bear arms specifically *for self defense.* No concealed carry permit required... or even issued for that matter. Consistently one of the top three safest states in the nation.

How's that for "liberal?"

[cavetech]

Originally Posted by J.Arthur Loose

I personally think that's closer to the mark.

One of my pet peeves to this day is the #### drinking age, and I'm 34. When asked for ID I always reply that "...my papers are in good order." I say make a citizen legal at 18 across the board. Treat people like adults and they'll have to act like it. Treat them like kids and they'll act like kids. Of course, in my opinion, Reagan, who hated college activism while governor of California, forced states into accepting the drinking age of 21 as president in order to socially separate the leaders from the new students. That's just my little theory.

I'm glad that Vermont has included in its constitution the right to bear arms specifically *for self defense.* No concealed carry permit required... or even issued for that matter. Consistently one of the top three safest states in the nation.

How's that for "liberal?"

Yes, but you cannot carry in your biggest city or cities as I remember from my detective days up in NJ/NY. Since the bigger the city the higher the likihood of encountering crime, what do you do then?

Please set me straight if this has changed.

[T-Wolf]

vermont? Wasn't that the state where a guy got 60 days for raping a 12 year old girl?

[J.Arthur Loose]

Originally Posted by cavetech

Yes, but you cannot carry in your biggest city or cities as I remember from my detective days up in NJ/NY. Since the bigger the city the higher the likihood of encountering crime, what do you do then?

Please set me straight if this has changed.

We don't have cities.

As far as I know, towns & "cities," are actually prevented from passing laws restricting possession & ownership. There's a sign outside our state capitol, Montpelier, that says you can't hunt within city limits.

http://www.packing.org/state/vermont/

Originally Posted by T-Wolf

Vermont? Wasn't that the state where a guy got 60 days for raping a 12 year old girl?

As usual the national media completely ignored the substance of that issue.

The judge in question was trying to create controversy by giving the offender a short sentence. What's the good of putting sexual offenders in prison without any attempt to treat them? They'll just get out at some point... completely unreformed. As a ploy it worked; the guy finally got a longer sentence, and will be getting treatment. He's also got life in prison if he violates any one of his conditions of release & treatment. As a result of the dialogue created by the controversy, our legislature is about to pass laws recommending minimum sentences along with mandatory life-long state supervision of sexual offenders when released.

[RJ Martin]

Two years ago, when my youngest son was in third grade, I got a call from the principal asking me to come to school right away. Turns out, my son wore his older brothers pants to school. He stuck his hand in the pocket, and pulled out a tiny Swiss Army knife (1.5" OAL, closed)

He held the knife, unopened, in his hand, and took it to his teacher, and said "I found this in my pocket".

He was escorted to the Principal's office, the police were called, and he was sent home.

The female principal managed to cut herself on the 1" long, 440A steel blade when she opened it. She went on and on about how sharp and dangerous the knife was. I had to bite my tongue! I so wanted to pull my Devastator out of my pocket, flip it open and shave my arm clean with one swipe, and then tell her she was just a stupid, incompetent Bi***.

Instead, I took my son to Blockbuster and he spent the day watching videos and eating ice cream. I commended him for doing the right thing, and told him I was proud of him.

[cwp]

Originally Posted by J Martin

I have two boys 6 and 8. This is the reason they have never seen the inside of a public school. Home schooled all the way even though we live in a city. They both carry pocket knives as a common tool. My wife and I have made economic sacrifices to do this and its worth it. The government isn't responsible for my children- I am. There is no way to put a nice spin on the school officials mentioned in the article. They are morons and their services should be terminated. If more parents schooled their own kids or sent them to a private school we could bring these idiots to their knees. I guess we get the government we deserve.

This is where my wife and I are also. My wife follows things pretty close, and some of the recent lawsuits by parents where the courts have ruled against them, because they give up all parental rights by sending their children to a public school, have re-inforced the decision.

--Carl

[cavetech]

[QUOTE=J.Arthur Loose]We don't have cities.

As far as I know, towns & "cities," are actually prevented from passing laws restricting possession & ownership. There's a sign outside our state capitol, Montpelier, that says you can't hunt within city limits.

Hi Arthur:

Back when carring a gun was necessiary for my line of work I aquired a number of carry permits in the northeast. I recall being told by the vermont state police that vermont had no carry permit, but one could not carry in the largest city or cities. I no longer recall exactly how that went. I seem to remember that one cannot carry in the capital city of vermont.

Are you saying you can carry a concealed handgun anyplace in vermont with no permit? Even cities? Your reply will be interesting.

[EdStreet]

[QUOTE=cavetech]

Originally Posted by J.Arthur Loose

We don't have cities.

As far as I know, towns & "cities," are actually prevented from passing laws restricting possession & ownership. There's a sign outside our state capitol, Montpelier, that says you can't hunt within city limits.

Hi Arthur:

Back when carring a gun was necessiary for my line of work I aquired a number of carry permits in the northeast. I recall being told by the vermont state police that vermont had no carry permit, but one could not carry in the largest city or cities. I no longer recall exactly how that went. I seem to remember that one cannot carry in the capital city of vermont.

Are you saying you can carry a concealed handgun anyplace in vermont with no permit? Even cities? Your reply will be interesting.

http://www.packing.org/
http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/sta-law.htm

the city limits thing is interesting, see this section.

? 15.2-915. Control of firearms; applicability to authorities and local governmental agencies.

A. No locality shall adopt or enforce any ordinance, resolution or motion, as permitted by ? 15.2-1425, and no agent of such locality shall take any administrative action, governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying, storage or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof other than those expressly authorized by statute. For purposes of this section, a statute that does not refer to firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, shall not be construed to provide express authorization.

Nothing in this section shall prohibit a locality from adopting workplace rules relating to terms and conditions of employment of the workforce. Nothing in this section shall prohibit a law-enforcement officer, as defined in ? 9.1-101 from acting within the scope of his duties.

The provisions of this section applicable to a locality shall also apply to any authority or to a local governmental entity, including a department or agency, but not including any local or regional jail or juvenile detention facility.

B. Any local ordinance, resolution or motion adopted prior to the effective date of this act governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, other than those expressly authorized by statute, is invalid.

for vermont as you can see below is a very unique state in the union.

gun laws

Vermont is unique in that permits are not required for carry concealed or unconcealed for resident and non-resident alike. Local ordinances vary, though. VT has no statutes concerning concealed carry, nor is there a specific statute that allows it. In the absence of a statute that prohibits it, then it is taken that there is no law against it.

It is lawful to carry a firearm openly or concealed provided the firearm is not carried with the intent or avowed purpose of injuring a fellow man. It is unlawful to carry a firearm within any state institution or upon the grounds or lands owned or leased by such institution.

It is unlawful for a student to carry or possess a firearm "upon a school". The board of school directors may authorize the use of firearms for instructional purposes when facilities for such instruction are available.

It is unlawful to carry or possess a loaded rifle or shotgun in or on a motor vehicle within the right of way of a public highway. Exempt are law enforcement officers and hunters who are paraplegic or have a "severe physical disability" and have been issued a permit by the fish and game commissioner.

knife laws

- Ch. 85 Weapons - T.13-4003... A person who carries a dangerous or deadly weapon, openly or concealed, with the intent or avowed purpose of injuring a fellow man, or who carries a dangerous or deadly weapon within any state institution... or grounds [thereof]... shall be imprisoned... or fined.
- T.13.4004... A person while a member of and in attendance upon a school, carries or has in his possession a firearm, dirk knife, bowie knife, dagger or other dangerous or deadly weapon shall be fined not more than $20; however, the board of school directors may authorize the use of firearms for instructional purposes...
- T.13.4013. Zip guns; switchblade knives. A person who possesses, sells or offers for sale a weapon commonly known as a "zip" gun, or a weapon commonly known as a switchblade knife, the blade of which is three inches or more in length, shall be imprisoned not more than ninety days or fined not more than $100.00, or both.

[J.Arthur Loose]

Cavetech, I have never heard that you can't carry in either Montpelier or Burlington; these being our largest "cities," barring perhaps Rutland. I put "cities," in quotes because you have no idea how small they are. Burlington has about 40,000 people (mostly college students,) and Montpelier is the smallest state capitol in the nation at just about 8,000. The whole state is just about 600,000. Anyway, I spent a bit of time poking around and all I come up with is the statute *preventing* localities from enacting such laws.

Some ten years ago, I think it was Quayle, you know, "Potatoe," Quayle, who came to Vermont and some uppity Vermonter decided that he'd take his *unloaded* handgun, concealed, to see him. I believe it was in Burlington. Anyway, as you can guess, the SS, by which I mean, Secret Service, roughed him up good.

But they couldn't charge him with anything. As I understand it, the guy regrets doing it because he's been hassled for years. But he was within his state rights.

Art. 16th

That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of
themselves and the State - and as standing armies in time of
peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept
up; and that the military should be kept under strict sub-
ordination to and governed by the civil power.

I'm gonna go take a picture of the #### sign outside Montpelier, 'cause now that I think of it, it actually says something like "No discharging shotguns within city limits from this date to that date."

People who think Vermont is some "liberal," bastion have no idea who Ethan Allen is or what he represents...