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Thanks for looking at this thread guys, but let's try not to bring up names from other forums, as it will do nothing but foster I'll feelings. All was said 2 years ago that needed to be said, and I for one have let it all go.
I do agree though that this forum has become one of good research, and by highly respected collectors from other forums. It's great to see. We get our feathers ruffled a bit from time to time, but work things out. One of the strength of this forum, the owner and moderators allow for disagreement, and yes, cross words from time to time, but it gets sorted out and we move on with no banning. I really appreciate that. Thanks, Sam |
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Haters Gonna Hate.....
I don't bow down to anybody, anywhere. Never have, never will....That's my style.
I don't post knife pics for any type of praise or patting on the back. And especially not because I'm trying to hawk my wares. I post pics for historical reference or for viewers pleasure. I really do not care for anything made post 1990 to tell the truth. I for one have my own Facebook page(s) solely for collector Randall's, and I am extremely cautious of who joins. I will NEVER allow members who have nothing to say, other than some pointed remark or snide comment on another person's post. And if I have said it once, I've said it 1000 times.... I buy things I don't need, With money I don't have, To impress people I don't like. TB |
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I'm with you Bill. If it was made after 12/25/89 I'm not interested.....unless it is Mod. 12 with a 14 grind.
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Yeah,...I'm another one wearing that badge of honor. :-) I wasted a lot of time and posted a LOT of threads over there. ...and like you I too found the irony in the BS title that "...EVERYONE was invited to join in..." ...blah blah blah,...as long as you conform and keep your mouth shut if you think their knives could be better! Some of my threads were of modifying a few of my personal Randall knives to make them into better slicers for EDC and other uses,...and that was taken as sacrilege to the powers that be. Knives with thick blade stock might be "built like a tank" (sort of, but without a full tang on most even that is a stretch),...but then what tank do you find that makes a great slicer for common cutting tasks? It's been a few years now ,...maybe more as when you are banned you can't even go in and VIEW threads,....a ridiculous stance there. One thread I remember was thinning the blade on my used Model 28 Woodsman Randall knife. Often carried into the woods, in my mind it would be a better tool for tasks often encountered there without the rather thick 3/16" blade stock getting in the way! This model has a mostly full tang (one of the few Randall knives that do), so I thinned mine down to about 1/8" for most of the length, leaving a little more thickness in the stamp area to maintain that. I also removed most of the choil to get more cutting edge length for use as a Bushcrafting and general cutting use. Talk about getting reamed by the elitist snobs who store their Safe Queens instead of trying to regularly using them! When a $20 Mora Heavy Duty Companion can cut circles around a stock $425+ Randall,...you have to wonder! Geeze..... some of us don't need or want a crowbar in a knife,...but DO want an efficient cutting tool. At age 61 now, I also don't have time to wait the 4-5 years (last I checked) for an order to get made and delivered. As I bought most of mine as used knives (and now mostly sold off), with a few new from dealers without the long wait. This wouldn't even be necessary if the re-seller's weren't sucking up all the future spots they can,.... limiting the supply and keeping the prices artificially higher than they would be otherwise. IF actual "user's" controlled the market demand, the cutting efficiency would more readily come to light, and Randall would make knives with cutting thickness blades rather than "crow bar thick" blades. In my case,... ANY talk about a Randall Knife having some "design" traits not the best for the the supposed purpose suggested by the name, such as "Woodsman", is a BIG no-no! As I recall Chris Stanaback (a BIG Randall re-seller), and even Randall Shop Foreman Scott Maynard piled on. Some comments on that tread regarding modifying my Model 28 Woodsman knife would have gotten most anyone else banned probably. But if you're part of the "collective" you're cut a LOT of slack on what you can say! In lots of ways Randall's are a "trading" commodity, and a high percentage are "Safe Queens" never to see any actual use in the field. The marketing is geared in that direction, and of course regular sellers like Captain Chris want to protect THAT! The comments made to the original poster in this thread WAS insulting and personal,...and ANY "nobody" using the same words would likely be banned for saying it. But not Captain Chris,... simply remove the evidence, ban the innocent guy,.. and move on,...nothing to see here sort of thing. Geeze... Were more Randall's actually used in the field,...you'd hear a lot more about their shortcomings when it comes to actually cutting. There's a reason WHY real food prep slicers, general "cutting" tools , and even woodcrafting / bushcrafting blades are made in 1/8" and UNDER thicknesses,...they simply work better for what a knife is meant to do,...CUT! YMMV Joe T Last edited by joejeweler; 07-24-2017 at 11:28 PM. |
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I don't recall Randall making a "woodcrafting" knife by design...and MY comments were that you took a brand new knife, (that you paid for, so you had every right), but you STILL screwed it up, voided the warranty, made a model 28 look like a model 10..(which is 1/8 stock), and generally turned a great looking knife into one ..IMO..ugly POS. ..but once again, you paid for it, so have at it, but don't ASK for opinions (which U did), and not expect to hear any dissenting views...
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Scott, please leave confrontations and arguments that have occurred on other forums away from this one.
Your self-restraint will be much appreciated. Thanks very much. David __________________ It takes less effort to smile than to frown ! |
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OMGoodness...I...did not bring this back up, so I..am sure you WILL extend this comment to joejeweler also...correct moose?...
I'm a little more than sick of MY posts and OPINIONS be subjected to scrutiny and others "like" mine not receiving the same treatment...if MY opinions and posts are not welcomed over here, then you had better go ahead and ban me from here, cause I WILL continue to defend myself if I am called out DIRECTLY, as in joe's statement...or at the least give the "rest of the story"... |
#38
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Scott, unlike yourself, joejewller isn't permitted to defend himself on the forum in which you are still a member in good standing, so he is allowed to vent here (within reason).
And Scott, you're welcome to post here anytime, but please don't expect disruptive, negative and shirt disturbing comments to be ignored by a moderator, although they probably should be by everyone else. Have a nice day! David __________________ It takes less effort to smile than to frown ! |
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I try to live by the ideology that before having my thoughts becoming comments must meet 3 criteria,
1) Is it true? 2) Is it Kind? 3) Is it necessary? If my thoughts DO NOT meet ALL THREE, then I don't have the right to say it. Or at least: Say What You Mean, Mean What You Say, But Don't Say It Mean. This isn't a pissing contest. |
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By the way, anyone else notice what Scott places in the highest priority regarding the Randall "Woodsman" model 28? He states " ....and generally turned a great looking knife into one ..IMO..ugly POS". I'd have more respect for your opinion IF you placed cutting efficiency ahead of looks as a TOP Priority for a KNIFE! But Randall Knives (aka "crowbars") are made to open c rations and busting through doors maybe,...but buy a thinner blade from another maker putting actual CUTTING ahead of GD "LOOKS"! Geeze,... You CAN have BOTH, by the way! Oh,...I find it interesting you never commented on the business model that I brought up,..which is to greatly limit the available supply by having all your dealers tie up as many spots as possible for many years in advance,... keeping prices high and the factory humming. Keeps the collector market happy, the dealers happy,....most everyone except the ones actually taking their knives out of their "Closet Queen" inventory and trying to go out and actually use what it was intended for,..CUT efficiently. What seems especially egregious to me is for those "individuals" willing to place a $50 deposit on a knife, and have the patience to wait 4 or 5 years to reach your build spot,....you can't even get a blade stock thickness choice. Sad really, for THAT is a great customer to have! (yet gets NO consideration for that commitment and EXTRAORDINARY patience!) IF you were really concerned about the actual CUSTOMER, you would allow them to choose blade thickness at the very least,...as an option for those wanting to get the most out of their knives. Frankly, Randall could care less. As I recall in another thread, I asked "over there" WHY you couldn't leave OFF a step in manufacturing such as Jimping,...and even charge the SAME price for the knife! You'd make more by saving man hours deleting this step,...didn't matter! NOPE, NO can do, (sorry, can't site the thread here since I'm banned there)....with some BS explanation since it's obvious to me when I examine the factory Randall jimping it has always appeared to be hand cut in with a file. Last edited by joejeweler; 07-24-2017 at 11:33 PM. |
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Hi Joe!
I'm hoping that you've finished venting. No good will come from further attacks on Scott, so please let this end here. Thank you! Do you collect Randalls? If so, please let us know which models you have and post a photo or two. Cheers! David __________________ It takes less effort to smile than to frown ! Last edited by Moosehead; 07-24-2017 at 08:02 PM. |
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Hi David,...yeah maybe,...I feel a little better at least :-) And thanks for your comments in post #38 above.
However, I think you'll notice I didn't actually "attack" Scott,...although I think it's quite obvious he did with me. Frankly, I've sold OFF most of my Randall's,...as I don't care to support the company as it's currently run. At age 61 now I doubt I'll ever see a change, which is OK by me because there are LOTS more knife makers around now than 20 years ago,..who will work with the customer and can deliver in a few months or so. They just work a different business model.... :-) Oh,...photo's will have to wait,...as I have all my images on Photobucket, and I have NO intention of paying $39 a month, or $400 annually,...to have them available for 3rd party hosting! This is going to be their downfall eventually,.... Joe T Last edited by joejeweler; 07-24-2017 at 08:39 PM. |
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Look, the mechanics of knife design and making is a subject for interesting debate, and on this site are some chat boards that address those issues. RE: RMK business model... supply and demand rules ... if there were no market, whoever is soaking up all the shop made knives will eventually go bust. Cartels usually work by limiting supply from the source, but that hasn't caused a diminution of activity so far as I know. But I really don't care that much because the RMKs I'm mostly interested in were made almost 50 years ago or earlier, and there aren't any more of them being made.
The underlying issue seems to be being banned "over there" for whatever arbitrary reasons. Well, we have this board. And best, the core people here are interested in vintage knives. mostly. I would say there are ten times as many vintage lines here as over there. If people want to play games like "build," or show and tell, fine, and good for them. I'm very happy on this board, don't want to go back over there, and if the people who read my posts are only vintage collectors, that is fine too. I say let the issue go. What is to be gained? What answer can please? I say ... let it go... Last edited by Jacknola; 07-24-2017 at 09:46 PM. |
#44
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Way to go moose, you as a moderator allowed Joe to rant and rave on a 80 year old great, history laden American company who have always offered a great knife at a fair price, when u could have prevented this type of escalation...I will not pursue/defend this any further, or bring this argument back up on this site, I've made my point and I believe the historical threads on KNF are above and beyond awesome knowledge to ingest...
And if anyone would like the link to the original thread, I would be happy to send it to you and let your judge for yourselves who was the agitator and baitor of the original argument. Just send me an email addy... But thanks for the comments on post #41 above moose...better late than never... Last edited by dirty water; 07-24-2017 at 09:35 PM. |
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Frankly, I wouldn't trust you in ANY way to being fair minded with anything, let alone an email document. This is not an attack, either,...just an observation in the original thread here that it still goes on "over there". Last edited by joejeweler; 07-24-2017 at 10:26 PM. |
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