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Waaaayyyy not worth the time effort!
__________________ Carl Rechsteiner, Bladesmith Georgia Custom Knifemakers Guild, Charter Member Knifemakers Guild, voting member Registered Master Artist - GA Council for the Arts C Rex Custom Knives Blade Show Table 6-H |
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That being said, you're talking about a CAST IRON body, with a STEEL face....totally different thing. I also suspect when you mentioned "welding" a steel "board" to a cast iron base, you were thinking of stick, TIG, or MIG welding..... you MIGHT get the stick/TIG, or MIG welding part to work (welding steel to cast iron is a feat in itself), but the overall product, if accomplished in that manner, will be far worse then the even the cheapest, lowest quality anvil. The process used for mating a "plate" to the body of anvils is essentially a forge weld type situation.....the entire face plate is welded/bonded to the body, making it more a less a single piece. It's not something that can be accomplished in the average home shop, and even in an industrial setting, it takes special tooling, methods, and techniques. My advice is to "bite the bullet"....find and purchase a "good" anvil, get yourself a forge, and start working/experimenting. You'll find that the reality of actually doing it, will not only answer many questions for you, but it will also debunk much of the misinformation you've consumed to this point. __________________ WWW.CAFFREYKNIVES.NET Caffreyknives@gmail.com "Every CHOICE has a CONSEQUENCE, and all your CONSEQUENCES are a result of your CHOICES." |
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I agree you can get or make a better one with a lot less effort and time...again I use a piece of train track yeh I got mine for free but if you cant you can buy a piece there are plenty out there, or just a bar of steel like ray said would serve the same purpose....
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Ok so I'm going for a junkyard steel piece for an anvil
I got 3 new questions regarding the anvil:
1) Suppose I find a 30cmx30cmx30cm metal cube on a junkyard. How can I find out what metal is it or if steel, what steel alloy? 2) If that block is a 1020 steel would it be necessary to heat treat it? What are the conditions that determine if that block of whatever metal needs heat treatment? 3) The same block of 1020 steel vs the same block of 5150 steel, or 1045 or higher carb alloys in general. Is it MUCH better and perforfance is easily noticed? Wanna kknow if spending more for better material is worth it |
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Chances are very good that any "block" large enough that you find in a scrapyard are going to be mild steel, and basically no better then buying a cheap cast iron anvil.
Generally the only way you're going to find a "block" of any steel that is hardenable, which is large enough, is going to be to special order it..... and you're going to be paying as much as an anvil would cost. Even if you could/do find a "block" large enough for use as an anvil, and it's is a hardenable material, you're going to pay another chuck of money to have it heat treated, because I double you have the ability or equipment to do it yourself. In the end I suppose you can work with whatever you want, but you posted questions, and you have a lot of experienced people here trying to help you.....don't discount what they have to say. __________________ WWW.CAFFREYKNIVES.NET Caffreyknives@gmail.com "Every CHOICE has a CONSEQUENCE, and all your CONSEQUENCES are a result of your CHOICES." |
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My country has a serious problem with taxes and bureucracy and the implications for that are all over the commerce and industry... I noticed americans and europeans can check dozens of websites with catalogs and you can buy stuff from 1084 to tool steels steel, choose the plate measurements, easy payment and quality shipping... it's as easy as ebay shopping. Here companies only handle industrial size orders so if you are born in a small city like me there's just no options. It's the same for wood, leather, everything. With that explained you can understand my questions. I'm not trying to get luxury, just trying to get an option at all lol Just so you know, in my city there was 3 blacksmiths 20 years ago, or so the legends say. Old fellows are dead now and the only anvil (real anvil with horns) I've seen was a small one, 150 years old, family heirloom. The user is a mechanic and he told me he still uses it but not forgework. So you see I can't find a mentor here. There's a steel company, it's actualy a small reseller for a larger company, 1020 and 1045 are the only options. You see, this isn't a good place for hobbies. The rest of the country gets better, but not so much. * I found out a brazilian section in the forum and reading through it since morning I've found out some steel suppliers. But still, price, variety and convenience is still an issue but I'll keep pushing forward Last edited by Alphard; 08-06-2016 at 01:34 PM. |
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Alphard,
Please fill out your profile so these guys might get a clue that you are not in the USA! It makes a lot of difference to the type of advice you will get ... |
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I did that about 6 hours ago... is it showing?
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Since your dad is a welder see if he can get some hardfacing welding rod, either stick or tig, I don't know if they would have the mig wire there, but they should have the stick rod for hardfacing. You simply weld to cover the face of a steel block with that and grind it flat after. I used to hard face plowing discs and the teeth for backhoe scoops and asphalt machinery. If you can't find a cheap cast iron anvil and go with a nice steel block then that's the way to go for a cheap and quick hard surface. There is also case hardening powder that will harden the surface, but's it may not be available where you live. I am a master TIG welder to extreme tolerances and if it's weldable I can weld it. (Not bragging, it's the truth)
Now there is a misconception that cast iron can't be welded. True cast iron is very weldable and welds like butter. What is hard to weld is high carbon cast steel, which can have up to 3-4% carbon. To weld that stuff is impossible unless you heat it up until it starts to glow red, I know, I've done it. You can braze it with bronze rod, but for an anvil that probably wouldn't last if you beat the edges. Something as big as an anvil is impractical to preheat that hot. Now with that said you tell your dad to try and stick weld a piece onto it down by the bottom, if the weld cracks it has too much carbon in it. That's OK, your dad should have an oxy-acetylene torch. Tell him to put a rosebud tip on it if he has one, if not use a cutting head then and simply torch the surface until it glows one small area at a time and you will have a hard surface. Just don't let it get too hot. do 1/4 and let it slow cool and come back later and do some more. If it has 2% carbon in it like most cast does it will harden if you just get it up to about a dull red glow. I done that to a cast iron table that had to be harder and to a cheap cast iron anvil for my brother's shop in California. What kind of a grinder do you have to grind your knives down with? Because as others have said you will have to learn how to grind your knives and handles as well. In Brazil I would guess that some of the nice rosewoods would be easy to get. |
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Don't be too worried about the hardness of the block of steel being used as an anvil. It's going to be a lot harder than red hot steel. By the way, a cutler's anvil is basically just that, a block of steel. The lack of a horn and heal with a hardy hole may be a draw back for general forging, they're pretty dispensable for knife making. If you can find a block of steel that's more than a 10XX steel it will he heavier for the same size due to the alloying elements.
Doug __________________ If you're not making mistakes then you're not trying hard enough |
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Is rosewood a kind of dark wood? Where I live the most common and maybe the only hard wood is purpleheart (I think that's the name in english). It's possible to get more variety online I think Last edited by Alphard; 08-07-2016 at 12:07 AM. |
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