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Jeremy 06-02-2014 05:46 PM

Little Bird and Trout
A few of the others I've been working on took a turn for the worse....due to operator error... So, to make myself feel better, I started this one a little bit ago. I had some bigger pieces of 15n20 laying around and decided to cut a knife out a while back. It was sitting there, so I decided to get to grinding on it. Somehow, I didn't completely mess it up, though I wish I did better on the plunges and a few other things. This knife is pretty thin and has a fair amount of flex to it. With it being so thin and all the extra holes I drilled in the tang, it's super light.

Took it to a nice 600 grit finish, no j-hooks or anything, for once. Picked out a piece of African Blackwood with some figure to it that I think will look nice on it. Still a little ways to go, but might actually hit the finish line with this one.


Ed Caffrey 06-02-2014 06:52 PM

Oh Sure! Talk about deceptive advertising!! I was lookin for a "Bird-n-Trout"....and you just posted pics of a "blank"! What up with that!?!?! :)

Seriously thought....looking good! :)

Jeremy 06-02-2014 11:22 PM

Ha! If only it was good enough to be a blank... I swear-I'm that lucky dumb kid in class that got put in the group for the project with all the smart kids. Between you, Bing, and John, I get carried right along to something decent. Now I just gotta keep from screwing it up... :).


MLAZYB 06-03-2014 06:10 AM

Ha Ha Your not going to screw it up. Remember Ed's #1 rule knife makers don't make mistakes. They just create opportunities. ( or maybe that's rule #2 ) :rockon:

All kidding aside looking good pal just take you time. We really want to see the finished piece.


J. Doyle 06-03-2014 06:29 AM

Getting stuck in a group with Ed, Bing and me sounds more like detention! :D

Good looking blade you got there. I, like the rest, am really wanting to see it finished. It's all down hill from here Pal.

Ed Caffrey 06-03-2014 08:16 AM

Well Cool! Since Jeremy is now part of the "group".....I got someone to blame for all my screw ups! :)

(He's really always been part of the "group"'s just that now it's public, and we can lay the blame on him!) :)

Jer....ya feeling the love yet? LOL!!!!

Jeremy 06-03-2014 09:17 AM

You guys crack me up :). I messed around with some mild steel pin stock last night and I think I decided to try doming the pins on this one. Which will be a first for me. Will put more pics up as it comes along.


Jeremy 06-08-2014 08:54 PM

Making a little progress. I got my name etched in it and getting ready to get the scales drilled out. I ordered some little clamps that I saw in a folder WIP. They're great to hold everything securely so the scales don't slip around when drilling. This is a pic of the under side and you can see the cap screws:

And from the top. I used a piece of scrap from the 15n20 I cut the blade from for a shim under the one jaw up front. These clamps are also really helpful if you have some odd shaped scales. If the blade is flat, you can just have the screws hold the weird shaped bone, antler, etc. tightly up against it and the holes will be straight.

Going to get them drilled, front of the scales finished, then epoxied on with dummy pins. I'm planning on using some petroleum jelly like I believe I saw in a video so I can pull them out after the epoxy is cured up. Then I'll finish out the scales and try the domed pins. Any suggestions are really appreciated.


Jeremy 06-09-2014 02:10 AM

I was in the garage fixing my drill press and ended up deciding to work some more on this. Then it got late... So, here's what's going on at this point. I drilled the holes through the tang into the wood scale. Then I matched up the two scales and put them in the clamps and proceeded to drill through the first, into the second.

Then, because I've been known to really screw things up, I marked both scales so I knew which way was up...

I cut some temporary pins and pushed them flush on one side. Then off to the band saw where I cut OUTSIDE the line I'd traced on one of the scales. Ask me what happens when you try to cut too close to the line... Everything went fine on this one and you end up with something like this:

Then I put one scale on the knife and figure out what I want the front of it to look like. After I get it drawn how I want, I take it to the belt sander and SLOWLY grind the profile I want. If you're not careful, you buzz right past where you want to go and get a shorter scale, or get to start over...yup-I know about that one, too. Then, I put the pins back in both scales and even the second up with the first:

I took the front of both scales up to 400 on the belt, then started hand sanding. After not much work at all, things start looking fairly nice.

A bit more prep and it'll be time to epoxy it all together. Then, profile the scales down to the tang and contour things nicely. Last will be (hopefully) my first domed pins.


Fulmaduro 06-09-2014 08:40 AM

Jeremy, excellent WIP pics and can't wait until I see it completed! I sure you also knew somebody was going to ask. Where can I get a set of those nifty square clamps that can be used on my drill press? I can probably make my own but have little time to make knives besides holding down a normal job. Much thanks and good luck!

Tony Z
Kansas City, MO

Jeremy 06-09-2014 10:36 AM

Tony, that question does keep coming up :). I got them from a South African knife supply place:

They're the smaller of the two listed on their site. And be smarter than me... I ordered one thinking they came in a pair-that was not the case. So, I got to pay shipping to the US twice :).


cdent 06-09-2014 12:11 PM

Thanks for the work in progress Jeremy, nice informative pictures. Kind of cool clamps, bet they can be shimmed or fiddle with to steady tapered tang scale drilling.

Take care, Craig

Jeremy 06-09-2014 04:44 PM

Yup, my thoughts on shimming too, Craig. How have you been? Been thinking about you over in sunny Hawaii recently for some reason. You getting back over to Steve's again this year for the hammer in? I won't be able to make it, but with your raffle drawing luck, you should definitely make the trip ;).


Jeremy 06-17-2014 12:39 AM

Well, things haven't gone so well with this one. I was concerned about the edge holding on it and after some tests, head scratching, and phone conversations, I came up with a game plan. It couldn't stay the way it was, but the plan was a risky one. Didn't have much to lose, so I re-hardened it. Initially, I thought things may turn out. It was really thin and I pretty well thought I'd end up with a knife ruined out of the quench. It came out with some noticeable warp, but without a crinkly edge. I began working towards straightening and later caught a slight wave in a portion of the edge....

I decided to finish tempering and will get it sharpened back up to at least do some cutting tests. After all, that was the whole point of redoing this. I guess a useable knife would've just been icing on the cake. After seeing if the cutting goes well, I'll likely then break it to look at the innards. If nothing else, I want to at least learn every bit I can from this knife.

I've already got more with the same profile marked out on some more 15n20, so hopefully soon I'll be doing a better job on some similar blades... But, time will tell :D .


cdent 06-18-2014 02:04 AM

That's a useful and neat little pattern, save it or scribe it onto something before you break it. Maybe just right for batch work. Bet it doesn't take a whole lot longer to stack three of them and drill and rough them out. More to play with, nail your heat treating, Christmas presents, whatever.

That reject bucket ain't nothing if it's only five gallons, Craig

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